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November 21, 2005

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Larry Garvin

I would add that at many schools it is impossible to get onto the main law journal as a transfer student. While law review membership is not essential to teaching, it is desirable. In addition, some judges will look for law review membership when winnowing clerkship applications, and this too is a factor in the teaching market. My own view is that studying with the top scholars and writing copiously and well are far better indicators than law review or clerkship of one's ultimate scholarly success, but it must be said that plenty of members of hiring committees think otherwise.

Otis

Yale has (very) recently implemented a two year fellowship program for those who want to go into legal academia and desire the "Yale brand." I have no idea how effective it is as the first fellow has (I believe) not yet finished the program / gone on the market. But having professors from your school writing / calling on your behalf could make it easier to get into the fellowship program, which could very well help achieve your career goals without having to go through the ordeal of transferring.

Kevin Washburn

If Leiter is right that one ought not transfer from a top ten school to a top five school merely for purposes of entering teaching because of lost opportunity to get to know their professors then Leiter is also right to believe in Yale exceptionalism. Exhibit A is me. I transferred to Yale from Wash U in St Louis in the early 90s. While it is true that I did not get to know as many Yale professors or get to know some of them as intimately as if I had been there as a 1L, my Yale classmates were almost as helpful as my Yale professors in helping me into teaching. When I entered teaching, I had YLS classmates who held tenure-track positions at Columbia, Harvard, Michigan, UCLA, Vanderbilt and Virginia and they offered me terrific guidance. I ended up at Minnesota. Exhibit B is another transfer student classmate who is now teaching at Penn. Unlike many schools where transferring is a ticket to obscurity and alienation, Yale coddled its transfer students and facilitated their easy integration into the life of the school. I recognize that neither Exhibit A nor Exhibit B directly answers the question for a student at a top-ten school, but I would note that some of my fellow transfer students transferred from other top 5 schools (Columbia, Harvard, NYU) or top 10-ish schools (Cornell, Texas, Georgetown) -- though none of these has, as yet, entered teaching.

AJ

I was recently in the writer's situation and stayed at my top 10 school. In my own experience, I got a huge amount of encouragement and support from faculty at my school, without even being particularly aggressive about trying to cultivate faculty relationships. I haven't gone on the academic market yet, so I can't say how big an advantage this will be in getting teaching jobs, but I've already had clerkship and fellowship opportunities come my way that wouldn't have happened without faculty going to bat for me. I do think that there are tradeoffs and that my degree and experience require a certain amount of "packaging" that isn't necessary for a Yale graduate; however, I've had a pretty good experience so far.

lawprofguy

On the whole, I would probably stay where you are. You might get some boost for graduating from the higher-ranked school, but you lose faculty connections, clerkship recommendations, opportunities to be a research assistant, etc. It all depends on the particular case, of course.

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